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The Y-Haplogroup J2b_455-8 Project

Studying J2b with DYS 455 = 8

The value 8 for DYS 455 (FTDNA marker#16) is very rare. There is a group of a few Ashkenazim who are in Haplogroup J2b1-M102 with fairly closely matching Y-STR profiles. They have a deletion event of three repeats in DYS455 which exist so far only in one other haplogroup (I1a). They also have the unusual value of 19-20 on YCAii. The International Society of Genetic Genealogy is now calling our haplogroup subclade J2b2e.

All but one family of the project have a family lore of being an Kohen. In a recent Jewish priesthood study by Dr. Michael F. Hammer with others, we were 7% of all the Kohens. Including the other J2 Kohens, the total were 43% of the Kohens. When members of our group asked Bennett Greenspan, President of FamilyTreeDNA about this, his answer was

The CMH appears to be in J1 instead of J2...however there is a minor subgroup in J2 that has the oral tradition of being Cohanim. As you probably know the historian Josephus says that during the later Temple II period the position of Cohanim Godal became corrupted with people with $$$ purchasing the position, but we can't ever be 100% sure whether the major group in J1 or the minor group in J2 is the real "McCoy" so to speak.

Dr. Whit Athey in his article about our sub-halogroup in the "Journal of Genetic Genealogy", said that our haplogroup is less than 1000 year old. (You can watch him on the television show "Tracing Your Family Roots" talked about our group.)

Table below came from six difference sources: members of Family Tree DNA Project, Y-search, Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation (SMGF), Ancestry.com, Dr. Athey article, and Dr. Hammer and others' sample of Jewish priesthood. (All of Dr. Hammer Halotypes are in J2b).

The markers in green have shown a faster mutation rate then the average
Haplogroups in green have been confirmed by SNP testing. Other haplogroups have been predicted. <

Ancestral Surame (Place)

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3
9
3

3
9
0

1
9
/3
9
4

3
9
1

3
8
5
a

3
8
5
b

4
2
6

3
8
8

4
3
9

3
8
9
|
1

3
9
2

3
8
9
|
2

4
5
8

4
5
9
a

4
5
9
b

4
5
5

4
5
4

4
4
7

4
3
7

4
4
8

4
4
9

4
6
4
a

4
6
4
b

4
6
4
c

4
6
4
d

4
6
0

G
A
T
A

H
4

Y
C
A

I
I
a

Y
C
A

I
I
b

4
5
6

6
0
7

5
7
6

5
7
0

C
D
Y

a

C
D
Y

b

4
4
2

4
3
8

FTDNA Marker Sequence No.

1

2

3

4

5

6

7

8

9

10

11

12

13

14

15

16

17

18

19

20

21

22

23

24

25

26

27

28

29

30

31

32

33

34

35

36

37

Modal
Hammer 1878 (Ashkenazi Belarus) J-M12

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

               

9

Dotan

J2

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

13

14

15

Deutsch (Farkas Deutsch Hungary)

J2

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

13

14

15

From Ancestry.Com

J2b

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19  

8

11

27

 

19

29

13

13

14

15

11

10

19

20

       

9

From Ancestry.Com

J2b

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19  

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

13

14

15

11

10

19

20

       

9

SMGF (Ukraine)

J2

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

13

14

15

11

10

19

20

13

11

9

From Ancestry.Com

 

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

13

14

15

11

10

19

20

13

     

11

9

Richardson (Vilna Lithuania)

J2b2

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

13

14

15

11

10

19

20

13

14

17

17

35

39

11

9

Sacks (Lithuania 1835)

J2

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

13

14

15

11

10

19

20

13

14

17

17

35

39

11

9

Genetic Distance of 1

Brief

J2

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

13

14

15

11

10

19

20

13

14

17

17

35

38

11

9

Cohn (Ruga, Germany)

J2

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

13

14

15

11

10

19

20

13

14

17

17

35

38

11

9

Non-member from FamilyTreeDNA

J2

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

13

14

15

11

10

19

20

13

14

17

17

35

38

11

9

Cohen (? 1870)

J2

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

13

14

15

11

10

19

20

13

14

17

17

33

39

11

9

Athey 115

J2b

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

13

14

15

11

11

19

20

13

     

11

9

Roubey (Vilna, Lithuania 1858)

J2b

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

12

13

14

15

11

10

19

20

13

14

17

17

35

39

11

9

Byers

J2

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

26

16

19

29

13

13

14

15

Makowiecki (Myszyniec, Poland)

J2

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

18

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

13

14

15

Smith

J2

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

20

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

13

14

15

SMGF (Poland)

J2

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

20

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

13

14

15

11

10

19

20

13

11

9

SMGF

J2

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

20

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

13

14

15

11

10

19

20

13

11

9

Lurie(Mogalev Belarus)
J2

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

28

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

13

14

15

11

10

19

20

13

14

17

17

35

39

11

9

Conn (Prussia)

J2

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

28

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

13

14

15

11

10

19

20

13

14

17

17

35

39

11

9

Hammer 230 (Ashkenazi Romania) J-M12

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

16

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

               

Hammer 2040 (Ashkenazi Lithuania) J-M172

13

24

15

10

14

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

               

9

Hammer 1425 (Ashkenazi Austrohungary) J-M12

13

24

15

10

11

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

               

9

Hammer 771 (Ashkenazi Russia) J-M12

13

24

16

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

               

9

Hammer 1907 (Ashkenazi Belarus) J-M12

13

23

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

               

9

From Ancestry.Com

 

13

24

 

10

  

11

15

11

12

   

8

 

8

11

                    
Non-Member with FTDNA's 25 markers

J2

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

14

14

15

Non-Member with FTDNA's 25 markers

J2

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

14

15

18

Genetic Distance of 2
Non-Member with FTDNA's 37 markers 
Non-Member with FTDNA's 37 markers 
Non-Member with FTDNA's 37 markers 
Non-Member with FTDNA's 37 markers 
Hammer 760 (Ashkenazi Russia) J-M12

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

16

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

26

16

19

29

               

9

Athey 114

J2b

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

17

8

9

8

10

27

16

19

29

   

15

11

10

19

20

13

     

11

9

Non-member from FamilyTree

J2

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

13

14

15

11

10

19

20

13

14

17

17

34

38

11

9

non-member

J2

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

16

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

13

14

15

11

10

19

20

13

14

16

17

35

38

11

9

Non-member

J2

13

24

16

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

13

14

15

11

10

19

20

13

14

17

17

35

38

11

9

From Ancestry.Com

J2b

13

24

15

10

14

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

 

19

29

13

14

15

17

11

10

19

20

13

      

11

9

Roberts

J2

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

14

15

18

11

10

19

20

13

14

17

17

35

38

11

9

From Ancestry.Com

J2b

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

    

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

14

15

18

11

10

20

21

        

9

Hammer 1485 (Spain Bulgaria) J-M12

12

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

26

16

19

29

               

9

Hammer 1471 (Ashkenazi Unknown) J-M12

12

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

20

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

               

9

Hammer 1493 (Ashkenazi Austrohungary) J-M12

12

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

28

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

               

9

Genetic Distance of 3
Non-Member with FTDNA 37 markers 
Non-Member with FTDNA 37 markers 
From Ancestry.Com

J2b

13

24

15

10

15

18

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

13

13

14

11

11

19

20

13

     

11

9

Ganger

J2

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

11

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

13

14

15

11

10

19

20

13

14

17

17

34

38

11

9

Albanov (Ukraine)

J2

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

18

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

14

15

18

11

10

19

20

13

14

17

17

36

39

11

9

Perkins

J2b

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

18

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

14

14

15

18

11

10

19

20

13

14

17

17

35

39

11

9

From Ancestry.Com

J2

12

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

11

12

11

29

19  

8

11

27

 

19

29

13

14

15

18

11

10

19

20

       

9

From Ancestry.Com

J2b

12

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

28

13

14

15

18

10

10

19

20

13

     

11

9

Altman (Torrington) (Ronsberg, Bohemia)

J2

12

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

18

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

14

15

18

11

10

19

20

13

14

17

17

35

39

11

9

Joseph(Wales)

J2

12

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

18

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

14

15

18

11

10

19

20

13

11

9

Hammer 1492 (Ashkenazi Russia) J-M12

12

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

28

18

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

               

9

Hammer 1500 (Ashkenazi Russia) J-M12

12

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

28

18

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

               

9

Hammer 15 (Ashkenazi Austrohungary) J-M12

12

24

15

10

15

15

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

26

16

19

29

               

Hammer 1480 (Ashkenazi Austrohungary) J-M410

12

24

15

10

14

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

26

16

19

29

               

9

Genetic Distance of 4
Non-member

J2

13

24

15

10

14

17

11

15

13

12

11

29

17

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

14

15

18

11

10

19

20

13

14

17

17

35

39

11

9

From Ancestry.Com

J2b

12

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

11

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

30

13

14

15

18

11

10

19

20

13

      

11

9

From Ancestry.Com

J2b

12

24

15

11

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

18

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

14

15

18

11

10

19

20

13       

11

9

From Ancestry.Com

J2b

12

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

18

8

9

8

11

27

 

19

28

13

14

16

18

11

10

19

20

13

      

11

9

Schnitzer (Sejny Poland?)

J2

12

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

18

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

14

15

18

11

10

19

20

13

14

17

16

35

39

11

9

Hammer 123 (Ashkenazi Netherlands) J-M12

12

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

28

18

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

30

               

Genetic Distance of 5

Y Search non-member (Stakliskes, Lithuania)

J2

13

25

15

11

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

19

8

9

8

11

26

16

19

29

13

13

14

15

11

10

19

20

13

14

17

18

35

38

11

9

non-member from Y Search

J2

12

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

29

17

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

14

15

18

11

10

19

20

13

14

18

17

35

40

11

9

From Ancestry.Com

J2b

12

 

15

10

15

16

11

15

11

12

11

29

19  

8

11

26

16

19

29

13

14

15

18

11

 

19

20

        

9

From Ancestry.Com

J2b

12

23

15

10

15

18

11

15

12

12

11

29

18

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

14

15

18

11

10

19

20

13

     

11

9

Cagen (Taurage near Sakai)

J2b2

12

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

30

18

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

14

15

18

11

10

19

20

13

14

17

18

35

39

11

9

Genetic Distance of 6
non-member from FamilyTreeDNA

J2

13

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

11

28

18

8

9

8

11

27

16

19

30

13

13

14

15

11

10

19

20

13

14

17

17

34

38

12

9

non-member from Y Search

J2

12

24

15

10

15

17

11

15

12

12

10

30

20

8

9

8

11

26

16

19

29

13

14

15

17

Genetic Distance of 7

Laminack (2) (Alben, Germany 1705)

J2

12

24

15

10

15

16

11

15

12

12

11

29

18

8

10

8

11

27

16

19

29

13

14

15

18

11

10

19

20

13

14

18

18

35

39

11

9

-10 -9 -8 -7 -6 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1 Color Key for Stepwise Deviation from Modal +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9 +10

Ancestral Surame

5
3
1

5
7
8

3
9
5
S
1
a

3
9
5
S
1
b

5
9
0

5
3
7

6
4
1

4
7
2

4
0
6
S
1

5
1
1

4
2
5

4
1
3
a

4
1
3
b

5
5
7

5
9
4

4
3
6

4
9
0

5
3
4

4
5
0

4
4
4

4
8
1

5
2
0

4
4
6

6
1
7

5
6
8

4
8
7

5
7
2

6
4
0

4
9
2

5
6
5

FTDNA Marker Sequence No.

38

39

40

41

42

43

44

45

46

47

48

49

50

51

52

53

54

55

56

57

58

59

60

61

62

63

64

65

66

67

Albanov 11 8 15 17 8 12 10 8 11 9 12 21 23 16 11 12 12

16

8

13

24 20 11

12

11 14 10 13 12 11
Cohen 11 8 15 17 8 12 10 8

12

9 12 21 23 16 11 12 12 17 8 14 24 20 11 13 11 14 10 13 12 11
Conn 11 8 15 17 8 12 10 8 11 9 12 21 23 16 11 12 12 17 8 14 24 20 11 13 11 14 10 13 12 11
Perkins 11 8 15 17 8 12 10 8 11 9 12 21 23 16 11 12 12

16

8

13

24 20 11

12

11 14 10

12

13

11
Sacks 11 8 15 17 8 12 10 8 11 9 12 21 23 16 11 12 12 17 8 14 24 20 11 13 11 14 10

12

12 11
Torrington 11 8 15 17 8 12 10 8 11 9 12 21 23

17

11 12 12

16

8

13

24 20 11

12

11 14 10 131211