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The Y-Haplogroup J2b_455-8 Project

Studying J2b with DYS 455 = 8

The value 8 for DYS 455 (Family Tree DNA marker #16) is very rare. There is a group of a few Ashkenazim who are in Haplogroup J2b2-M102 with fairly closely matching Y-STR profiles. They have a deletion event of three repeats in DYS455 which exist so far only in one other haplogroup (I1a). They also have the unusual value of 19-20 on YCAii. The International Society of Genetic Genealogy is now calling our haplogroup subclade J2b2e. Because the defining mutation for this subclade is DYS 455 being less than 9, there is no reason to order any advanced SNP Testing since the results would be J-M12+ or J-M241+, M304+, M172+, M102+, M12+, and M241+. All the other SNPs would be negative.

All but one family of the project have a family lore of being an Kohanim. In a recent Jewish priesthood study by Dr. Michael F. Hammer with others, we were 6% of all the Kohens. Including the other J2 Kohens, the total were 43% of the Kohanim. When members of our group asked Bennett Greenspan, President of FamilyTreeDNA about this, his answer was

The CMH appears to be in J1 instead of J2...however there is a minor subgroup in J2 that has the oral tradition of being Cohanim. As you probably know the historian Josephus says that during the later Temple II period the position of Cohanim Godal became corrupted with people with $$$ purchasing the position, but we can't ever be 100% sure whether the major group in J1 or the minor group in J2 is the real "McCoy" so to speak.

Dr. Whit Athey in his article about our sub-halogroup in the "Journal of Genetic Genealogy", said that our haplogroup is less than 1000 year old. (You can watch him on the television show "Tracing Your Family Roots" talked about our group.) The estimate now is about 750 years ago using the STRs of all people that were tested on 25 or more markers.

We presently have 98 different surnames from the 128 people with surnames. Most Ashkenazims did not take surnames until the late 1700s and early 1800s. Before then, they were known are "name son of name".

Table below came from eight difference sources: members of this Family Tree DNA Project, others tested at Family Tree DNA, Y-search, Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation (SMGF), Ancestry.com, DNA Heritage, Dr. Athey article, and Dr. Hammer and others' sample of Jewish priesthood. (All of Dr. Hammer Halotypes are in J2b). It is sorted somewhat by when major mutations were, the oldest first.

Family Tree DNA's of Project Y-DNA Results

The markers in green have shown a faster mutation rate then the average
Haplogroups in green have been confirmed by SNP testing. Other haplogroups have been predicted.
Persons are listed in some order of changes with the oldest near the top.

Ancestral Surame (Place) Haplo-
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Family Tree DNA Marker Sequence No. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38+
455=8, 393=12, 464=13,14,15,18, CDY b=39 plus 9 others tested at Family Tree DNA
Beck J2 12 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 17 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 14 15 18 11 10 19 20 13 14 18 17 35 40 11 9 ->
McIntyre J2 12 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 17 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 14 15 18
Laminack (Alben, Germany 1705) J2 12 24 15 10 15 16 11 15 12 12 11 29 18 8 10 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 14 15 17 11 10 19 20 13 14 18 18 35 39 11 9
Laminack (Germany ) J2 12 24 15 10 15 16 11 15 12 12 11 29 18 8 10 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 14 15 17 11 10 19 20 13 14 18 18 35 39 11 9
Laminack (Lauterecken, Germany) J2 12 24 15 10 15 16 11 15 12 12 11 29 18 8 10 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 14 15 18 11 10 19 20 13 14 18 18 35 39 11 9
From Ancestry.Com J2b 12 15 10 15 16 11 15 11 12 11 29 19 8 11 26 16 19 29 13 14 15 18 11 19 20 9
Molnar (Kald, Hungary) J2 12 24 15 10 15 16 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 26 16 19 29 13 14 15 18 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 34 39 11 9 ->
Potter (Belarus) J2 12 24 15 10 15 16 11 15 12 12 11 29 18 8 9 8 11 26 16 19 29 13 14 15 18 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 34 39 11 9
Graham Cameron (Scotland) J2 12 24 15 10 16 16 11 15 12 12 11 29 18 8 9 8 11 26 16 19 29 13 14 15 18 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 34 39 11 9
Agranat (Russian Federation) J2 12 24 15 10 16 17 11 15 13 12 11 29 18 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 14 15 18 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 18 35 39 11 9
Cagen (Taurage near Sakai) J2b2 12 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 30 18 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 14 15 18 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 18 35 39 11 9
Hammer 123 (Ashkenazi Netherlands) J-M12 12 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 28 18 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 30
Hammer 1492 (Ashkenazi Russia) J-M12 12 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 28 18 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 9
Hammer 1500 (Ashkenazi Russia) J-M12 12 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 28 18 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 9
Hays (Angenrod Germany) J2 12 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 18 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 14 15 18 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 35 39 11 9
Altman (Torrington) (Ronsberg, Bohemia) J2 12 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 18 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 14 15 18 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 35 39 11 9 ->
Joseph J2 12 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 18 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 14 15 18 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 35 39 11 9 ->
Schnitzer (Sejny Poland?) J2 12 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 18 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 14 15 18 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 16 35 39 11 9
From Ancestry.Com J2b 12 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 18 8 9 8 11 27 19 28 13 14 16 18 11 10 19 20 13 11 9
From Ancestry.Com J2b 12 24 15 11 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 18 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 14 15 18 11 10 19 20 13 11 9
From Ancestry.Com J2b 12 23 15 10 15 18 11 15 12 12 11 29 18 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 14 15 18 11 10 19 20 13 11 9
Hammer 1493 (Ashkenazi Austrohungary) J-M12 12 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 28 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 9
Roth (Poland) J2 12 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 14 15 18 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 35 39 11 9
From Ancestry.Com J2b 12 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 11 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 30 13 14 15 18 11 10 19 20 13 11 9
From Ancestry.Com J2b 12 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 28 13 14 15 18 10 10 19 20 13 11 9
Hammer 1485 (Spain Bulgaria) J-M12 12 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 26 16 19 29 9
Hammer 15 (Ashkenazi Austrohungary) J-M12 12 24 15 10 15 15 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 26 16 19 29
Hammer 1480 (Ashkenazi Austrohungary) J-M410 12 24 15 10 14 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 26 16 19 29 9
Hammer 1471 (Ashkenazi Unknown) J-M12 12 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 20 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 9
Katzenstein (Germany) J2 12 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 11 12 11 29 17 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 14 15 18 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 35 40 11 9
From Ancestry.Com J2 12 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 11 12 11 29 19 8 11 27 19 29 13 14 15 18 11 10 19 20 9
Cohen (Poland) J2 12 24 16 10 15 17 11 15 11 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 14 15 18 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 36 39 11 9
Mitchnick (Ukraine) J2 12 24 16 10 15 17 11 15 11 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 14 15 18 11 10 19 20 12 14 17 17 35 39 11 9
455=8, 393=13, 464=13,14,15,18, CDY b=39 plus 2 others tested at Family Tree DNA
Buchheim (Germany ) J2 13 24 15 10 15 16 11 16 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 26 16 19 29 13 14 15 17 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 35 39 11 9
Buchheim (Germany) J2 13 24 15 10 15 16 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 14 15 17 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 35 39 11 9
From Ancestry.Com J2b 13 24 15 10 14 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 19 29 13 14 15 17 11 10 19 20 13 11 9
Roberts J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 14 15 18 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 35 38 11 9
Grover J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 13 11 30 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 14 15 18 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 35 40 11 9 ->
Albanov (Ukraine) J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 18 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 14 15 18 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 36 39 11 9 ->
Perkins (Ukraine) J2b 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 18 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 14 14 15 18 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 35 39 11 9 ->
From Ancestry.Com J2b 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 18 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 14 15 18 11 10 20 21 9
455=8, 393=13, 464=13,13,14,15, CDY b=39 plus 1 other tested at Family Tree DNA
Richardson (Vilna Lithuania) J2b2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 35 39 11 9
Sacks (Lithuania 1835) J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 35 39 11 9 ->
Roubey (Vilna, Lithuania 1858) J2b 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 12 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 35 39 11 9
Lurie (Mogalev Belarus) J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 28 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 35 39 11 9
Conn (Prussia) J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 28 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 35 39 11 9 ->
455=8, 393=13, 464=13,13,14,15, CDY b=38 plus 6 others tested at Family Tree DNA
Makowiecki (Myszyniec, Poland) J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 18 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 35 37 11 9 ->
Small (Ciechanowicz, Poland) J2b2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 35 37 11 9
Brief (Lithuania) J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 35 38 11 9
Cohen J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 35 38 11 9
Kohn (Ruga, Germany) J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 35 38 11 9
Porter (Ukraine) J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 14 14 17 17 35 38 11 9 ->
Tartell J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 14 14 17 17 35 38 11 9
Rubin J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 15 15 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 35 38 11 9
Gertzman J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 18 8 9 8 11 26 16 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 35 38 11 9
Sarut (RussianFederation) J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 13 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 26 16 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 35 38 11 9
Kaplan (Stakliskes, Lithuania) J2 13 25 15 11 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 26 16 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 18 35 38 11 9
Cohan (Poland) J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 28 18 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 30 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 34 38 12 9 ->
Ganger (Germany) J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 11 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 34 38 11 9
Kahan J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 33 38 11 9 ->
455=8, 393=13, 464=13,13,14,15, CDY b=?? plus 3 others tested at Family Tree DNA
Cohen (Lithuania 1870) J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 13 14 17 17 33 39 11 9 ->
Athey 114 J2b 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 17 8 9 8 10 27 16 19 29 15 11 10 19 20 13 11 9
Hammer 1878 (Ashkenazi Belarus) J-M12 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 9
Dotan (Belarus) J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 14 15
Deutsch (Farkas Deutsch Hungary) J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 14 15
From Ancestry.Com J2b 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 11 27 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 9
From Ancestry.Com J2b 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 9
From SMGF (Ukraine) J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 13 11 9
From Ancestry.Com 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 13 11 9
From Ancestry.Com 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 13 11 9
Athey 115 J2b 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 11 19 20 13 11 9
Hammer 2040 (Ashkenazi Lithuania) J-M172 13 24 15 10 14 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 9
Hammer 1425 (Ashkenazi Austrohungary) J-M12 13 24 15 10 11 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 9
Hammer 771 (Ashkenazi Russia) J-M12 13 24 16 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 9
Hammer 1907 (Ashkenazi Belarus) J-M12 13 23 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 9
Mintz J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 14 14 15
Hammer 230 (Ashkenazi Romania) J-M12 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 16 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29
Hammer 760 (Ashkenazi Russia) J-M12 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 16 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 26 16 19 29 9
Byers (Russia) J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 26 16 19 29 13 13 14 15
Meyer J2 13 25 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 19 8 9 8 11 26 16 19 29 13 13 14 15
From Ancestry.Com J2b 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 18 8 11 26 19 30 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 9
From Ancestry.Com 13 24 10 11 15 11 12 8 8 11
Smith (Khmelnik, Ukraine) J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 20 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 14 15
From SMGF (Poland) J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 20 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 13 11 9
From SMGF J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29 20 8 9 8 11 27 16 19 29 13 13 14 15 11 10 19 20 13 11 9
455=8?, 393=13 plus 32 others tested at Family Tree DNA on 12 markers only, all should belong to this haplogroup
Berger (Russian Federtion) J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29
Jaffe J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29
Katz (Onixt, Russia) J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29
Slone (Ukraine) J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 12 11 29
Lang (Germany) J2 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 15 12 13 11 30
Cohen (New York, New York, USA) 13 24 15 10 15 17 11 14 12 12 11 29
Summer J2b2 13 24 15 10 16 18 11 15 12 12 11 29

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Color Key for Stepwise Deviation from Modal

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Ancestral Surame	5 3 1	5 7 8	3 9 5 S 1 a	3 9 5 S 1 b	5 9 0	5 3 7	6 4 1	4 7 2	4 0 6 S 1	5 1 1	4 2 5	4 1 3 a	4 1 3 b	5 5 7	5 9 4	4 3 6	4 9 0	5 3 4	4 5 0	4 4 4	4 8 1	5 2 0	4 4 6	6 1 7	5 6 8	4 8 7	5 7 2	6 4 0	4 9 2	5 6 5
FTDNA Marker Sequence No.	38	39	40	41	42	43	44	45	46	47	48	49	50	51	52	53	54	55	56	57	58	59	60	61	62	63	64	65	66	67
>455=8, 393=12, 464=13,14,15,18, CDY b=39
Beck	11	8	15	17	8	12	10	8	11	9	12	21	23	16	11	12	12	16	8	13	24	20	11	12	11	14	10	13	12	11
Torrington	11	8	15	17	8	12	10	8	11	9	12	21	23	17	11	12	12	16	8	13	24	20	11	12	11	14	10	13	12	11
Joseph	11	8	15	17	8	12	10	8	11	9	12	21	23	16	11	12	12	17	8	13	24	20	11	12	11	14	10	13	12	11
Molnar	11	8	15	17	8	12	10	8	11	8	12	21	23	16	11	12	12	17	8	14	25	20	11	13	11	14	10	13	12	11
455=8, 393=13, 464=13,14,15,18, CDY b=39
Grover	11	8	15	17	8	12	10	8	11	9	12	21	23	16	11	12	12	17	8	14	24	20	11	13	11	14	10	13	12	11
Albanov	11	8	15	17	8	12	10	8	11	9	12	21	23	16	11	12	12	16	8	13	24	20	11	12	11	14	10	13	12	11
Perkins	11	8	15	17	8	12	10	8	11	9	12	21	23	16	11	12	12	16	8	13	24	20	11	12	11	14	10	12	13	11
455=8, 393=13, 464=13,13,14,15, CDY b=39
Sacks	11	8	15	17	8	12	10	8	11	9	12	21	23	16	11	12	12	17	8	14	24	20	11	13	11	14	10	12	12	11
Conn	11	8	15	17	8	12	10	8	11	9	12	21	23	16	11	12	12	17	8	14	24	20	11	13	11	14	10	13	12	11
Cohen	11	8	15	17	8	12	10	8	12	9	12	21	23	16	11	12	12	17	8	14	24	20	11	13	11	14	10	13	12	11
455=8, 393=13, 464=13,13,14,15, CDY b=38
Makowiecki	11	8	15	17	8	12	10	8	11	9	12	21	23	16	11	12	12	17	8	14	24	20	11	13	11	14	10	13	12	11
Porter	11	8	15	17	8	12	10	8	11	9	12	21	23	16	11	12	12	17	8	14	24	20	12	13	11	14	10	13	12	11
Cohan	11	8	15	17	8	12	10	8	11	9	12	21	23	16	11	12	12	17	8	14	24	20	12	13	11	14	10	13	12	11
Kahan	11	8	15	17	8	12	10	8	11	9	12	21	23	16	11	12	12	17	8	14	24	20	12	13	11	14	10	13	12	11

Network of Haplogroup J2b2e

The mutation on DYS 455 to 8 from 11 happened less than 1000 years ago; on DYS 393 to 13 about 700 years ago; and on DYS 464a,b,c,d to 13,13,14,15 about 600 years ago. William E. Howard III has developed a method that use correlations for the analysis of pairs of 37 markers Y-STR Haplogtypes which he named RCC. Each RCC is roughly equal to a little less than 50 years. He then used a computer program called Mathematica to make the tree which is shown below. Because of randomness of mutations, the pairing could be off by up to 300 years. The way you can estimate when the MCRA between any two persons lived, find the RCC at the junction point connecting the two and multipy it by 50. This would give you an time estimate within 300 years. RCC values when paired have a standard deviation of about 3, or 150+ years, but the RCCs of the junction points probably are slightly more trustworthy.

Ancestral Surame (Place)	Haplo- group	3 9 3	3 9 0	1 9 / 3 9 4	3 9 1	3 8 5 a	3 8 5 b	4 2 6	3 8 8	4 3 9	3 8 9 \| 1	3 9 2	3 8 9 \| 2	4 5 8	4 5 9 a	4 5 9 b	4 5 5	4 5 4	4 4 7	4 3 7	4 4 8	4 4 9	4 6 4 a	4 6 4 b	4 6 4 c	4 6 4 d	4 6 0	G A T A H 4	Y C A I I a	Y C A I I b	4 5 6	6 0 7	5 7 6	5 7 0	C D Y a	C D Y b	4 4 2	4 3 8
Family Tree DNA Marker Sequence No.		1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12	13	14	15	16	17	18	19	20	21	22	23	24	25	26	27	28	29	30	31	32	33	34	35	36	37	38+
455=8, 393=12, 464=13,14,15,18, CDY b=39 plus 9 others tested at Family Tree DNA
Beck	J2	12	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	17	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	14	15	18	11	10	19	20	13	14	18	17	35	40	11	9	->
McIntyre	J2	12	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	17	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	14	15	18
Laminack (Alben, Germany 1705)	J2	12	24	15	10	15	16	11	15	12	12	11	29	18	8	10	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	14	15	17	11	10	19	20	13	14	18	18	35	39	11	9
Laminack (Germany )	J2	12	24	15	10	15	16	11	15	12	12	11	29	18	8	10	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	14	15	17	11	10	19	20	13	14	18	18	35	39	11	9
Laminack (Lauterecken, Germany)	J2	12	24	15	10	15	16	11	15	12	12	11	29	18	8	10	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	14	15	18	11	10	19	20	13	14	18	18	35	39	11	9
From Ancestry.Com	J2b	12		15	10	15	16	11	15	11	12	11	29	19			8	11	26	16	19	29	13	14	15	18	11		19	20								9
Molnar (Kald, Hungary)	J2	12	24	15	10	15	16	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	26	16	19	29	13	14	15	18	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	34	39	11	9	->
Potter (Belarus)	J2	12	24	15	10	15	16	11	15	12	12	11	29	18	8	9	8	11	26	16	19	29	13	14	15	18	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	34	39	11	9
Graham Cameron (Scotland)	J2	12	24	15	10	16	16	11	15	12	12	11	29	18	8	9	8	11	26	16	19	29	13	14	15	18	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	34	39	11	9
Agranat (Russian Federation)	J2	12	24	15	10	16	17	11	15	13	12	11	29	18	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	14	15	18	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	18	35	39	11	9
Cagen (Taurage near Sakai)	J2b2	12	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	30	18	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	14	15	18	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	18	35	39	11	9
Hammer 123 (Ashkenazi Netherlands)	J-M12	12	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	28	18	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	30
Hammer 1492 (Ashkenazi Russia)	J-M12	12	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	28	18	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29																9
Hammer 1500 (Ashkenazi Russia)	J-M12	12	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	28	18	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29																9
Hays (Angenrod Germany)	J2	12	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	18	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	14	15	18	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	35	39	11	9
Altman (Torrington) (Ronsberg, Bohemia)	J2	12	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	18	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	14	15	18	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	35	39	11	9	->
Joseph	J2	12	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	18	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	14	15	18	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	35	39	11	9	->
Schnitzer (Sejny Poland?)	J2	12	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	18	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	14	15	18	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	16	35	39	11	9
From Ancestry.Com	J2b	12	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	18	8	9	8	11	27		19	28	13	14	16	18	11	10	19	20	13						11	9
From Ancestry.Com	J2b	12	24	15	11	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	18	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	14	15	18	11	10	19	20	13						11	9
From Ancestry.Com	J2b	12	23	15	10	15	18	11	15	12	12	11	29	18	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	14	15	18	11	10	19	20	13						11	9
Hammer 1493 (Ashkenazi Austrohungary)	J-M12	12	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	28	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29																9
Roth (Poland)	J2	12	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	14	15	18	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	35	39	11	9
From Ancestry.Com	J2b	12	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	11	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	30	13	14	15	18	11	10	19	20	13						11	9
From Ancestry.Com	J2b	12	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	28	13	14	15	18	10	10	19	20	13						11	9
Hammer 1485 (Spain Bulgaria)	J-M12	12	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	26	16	19	29																9
Hammer 15 (Ashkenazi Austrohungary)	J-M12	12	24	15	10	15	15	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	26	16	19	29
Hammer 1480 (Ashkenazi Austrohungary)	J-M410	12	24	15	10	14	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	26	16	19	29																9
Hammer 1471 (Ashkenazi Unknown)	J-M12	12	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	20	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29																9
Katzenstein (Germany)	J2	12	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	11	12	11	29	17	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	14	15	18	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	35	40	11	9
From Ancestry.Com	J2	12	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	11	12	11	29	19			8	11	27		19	29	13	14	15	18	11	10	19	20								9
Cohen (Poland)	J2	12	24	16	10	15	17	11	15	11	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	14	15	18	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	36	39	11	9
Mitchnick (Ukraine)	J2	12	24	16	10	15	17	11	15	11	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	14	15	18	11	10	19	20	12	14	17	17	35	39	11	9
455=8, 393=13, 464=13,14,15,18, CDY b=39 plus 2 others tested at Family Tree DNA
Buchheim (Germany )	J2	13	24	15	10	15	16	11	16	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	26	16	19	29	13	14	15	17	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	35	39	11	9
Buchheim (Germany)	J2	13	24	15	10	15	16	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	14	15	17	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	35	39	11	9
From Ancestry.Com	J2b	13	24	15	10	14	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27		19	29	13	14	15	17	11	10	19	20	13						11	9
Roberts	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	14	15	18	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	35	38	11	9
Grover	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	13	11	30	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	14	15	18	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	35	40	11	9	->
Albanov (Ukraine)	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	18	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	14	15	18	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	36	39	11	9	->
Perkins (Ukraine)	J2b	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	18	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	14	14	15	18	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	35	39	11	9	->
From Ancestry.Com	J2b	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	18			8	11	27	16	19	29	13	14	15	18	11	10	20	21								9
455=8, 393=13, 464=13,13,14,15, CDY b=39 plus 1 other tested at Family Tree DNA
Richardson (Vilna Lithuania)	J2b2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	35	39	11	9
Sacks (Lithuania 1835)	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	35	39	11	9	->
Roubey (Vilna, Lithuania 1858)	J2b	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	12	13	14	15	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	35	39	11	9
Lurie (Mogalev Belarus)	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	28	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	35	39	11	9
Conn (Prussia)	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	28	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	35	39	11	9	->
455=8, 393=13, 464=13,13,14,15, CDY b=38 plus 6 others tested at Family Tree DNA
Makowiecki (Myszyniec, Poland)	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	18	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	35	37	11	9	->
Small (Ciechanowicz, Poland)	J2b2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	35	37	11	9
Brief (Lithuania)	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	35	38	11	9
Cohen	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	35	38	11	9
Kohn (Ruga, Germany)	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	35	38	11	9
Porter (Ukraine)	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20	14	14	17	17	35	38	11	9	->
Tartell	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20	14	14	17	17	35	38	11	9
Rubin	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	15	15	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	35	38	11	9
Gertzman	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	18	8	9	8	11	26	16	19	29	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	35	38	11	9
Sarut (RussianFederation)	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	13	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	26	16	19	29	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	35	38	11	9
Kaplan (Stakliskes, Lithuania)	J2	13	25	15	11	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	26	16	19	29	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	18	35	38	11	9
Cohan (Poland)	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	28	18	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	30	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	34	38	12	9	->
Ganger (Germany)	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	11	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	34	38	11	9
Kahan	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	33	38	11	9	->
455=8, 393=13, 464=13,13,14,15, CDY b=?? plus 3 others tested at Family Tree DNA
Cohen (Lithuania 1870)	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20	13	14	17	17	33	39	11	9	->
Athey 114	J2b	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	17	8	9	8	10	27	16	19	29				15	11	10	19	20	13						11	9
Hammer 1878 (Ashkenazi Belarus)	J-M12	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29																9
Dotan (Belarus)	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	14	15
Deutsch (Farkas Deutsch Hungary)	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	14	15
From Ancestry.Com	J2b	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19			8	11	27		19	29	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20								9
From Ancestry.Com	J2b	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19			8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20								9
From SMGF (Ukraine)	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20	13						11	9
From Ancestry.Com		13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20	13						11	9
From Ancestry.Com		13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20	13						11	9
Athey 115	J2b	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	14	15	11	11	19	20	13						11	9
Hammer 2040 (Ashkenazi Lithuania)	J-M172	13	24	15	10	14	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29																9
Hammer 1425 (Ashkenazi Austrohungary)	J-M12	13	24	15	10	11	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29																9
Hammer 771 (Ashkenazi Russia)	J-M12	13	24	16	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29																9
Hammer 1907 (Ashkenazi Belarus)	J-M12	13	23	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29																9
Mintz	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	14	14	15
Hammer 230 (Ashkenazi Romania)	J-M12	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	16	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29
Hammer 760 (Ashkenazi Russia)	J-M12	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	16	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	26	16	19	29																9
Byers (Russia)	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	26	16	19	29	13	13	14	15
Meyer	J2	13	25	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	19	8	9	8	11	26	16	19	29	13	13	14	15
From Ancestry.Com	J2b	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	18			8	11	26		19	30	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20								9
From Ancestry.Com		13	24		10			11	15	11	12				8		8	11
Smith (Khmelnik, Ukraine)	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	20	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	14	15
From SMGF (Poland)	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	20	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20	13						11	9
From SMGF	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29	20	8	9	8	11	27	16	19	29	13	13	14	15	11	10	19	20	13						11	9
455=8?, 393=13 plus 32 others tested at Family Tree DNA on 12 markers only, all should belong to this haplogroup
Berger (Russian Federtion)	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29
Jaffe	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29
Katz (Onixt, Russia)	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29
Slone (Ukraine)	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	12	11	29
Lang (Germany)	J2	13	24	15	10	15	17	11	15	12	13	11	30
Cohen (New York, New York, USA)		13	24	15	10	15	17	11	14	12	12	11	29
Summer	J2b2	13	24	15	10	16	18	11	15	12	12	11	29